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IF there was a choice to be straight would you choose to be?

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Like if you were given the chance to be born straight would you want that? I saw this topic in another forum and thought it would get interesting responses here because of our condition of living in pain and fear in the middle east. Be honest with your responses guys, no one here will judge you.

Personally I wouldnt, not in a million years. Being gay affected my personality in a lot of good ways more than bad, I like the way I am, I like the way I think. It enlightened me about the world we live in, religion, human nature etc. .

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  • 12-16_m_w_h4_f1
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    Definitely not, as you said it really changed my personality positively and because of that i'm sure i'm much happier than i would have been. Plus, i think there are a ton of advantages in being gay. You get to fall in love with a person which is more likely to have more similar interests (e.g. video games!) and as a gay male, men dont have periods (you can have sex whenever ;) ) and less emotional swings.Their body is more similar also so you know exactly 'how they work' and you're probably gonna be more committed than straight couples.

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  • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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    I love your reply, especially the video games part, I hope that's true. :p

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  • 17-24_m_b_h2_f4
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    no i won't , i dunno if this is right or wrong , but being gay made me feel kinda superior , when my friends drool over any set of boobs and i keep calm and call them a bunch of pigs , makes me feel like a better person actually , and i have proved in more than one situation that gays r more sophisticated and have better personalities and actions reactions than heteros (in egypt that is) .
    but if i had to choose sth else but being gay , ill go for a str8 female , god , make up - dolls - all these colors - tons of choices for clothes - the whole HAIR thing , girls have EVERYTHING in life XDDDD

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      hay you! why you ALWAYS say what I want to say! LOOOL that's sooo wired O_o
      but seriously your thoughts are really like mine
      God bless

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    • 17-24_m_b_h2_f4
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      well , im starting to freak out to XDDDD
      but actually i always dreamt abt being a girl , like since i was 5-6 or sth . LOOONG before i found out abt my sexuality XD
      oh XD god bless u too XDD

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      If you feel superior, you would've came out of the closet so please spare us the shit and don't be so delusional about yourself. Your sooooooooo having the inferiority complex dude so go get some psychological help

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    • 17-24_m_b_h2_f4
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      sigh ... should i rly reply ??

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      Yeah u should stand out for that

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    • 12-16_m_a_h3_f1
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      Exactly my thoughts!

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  • 51-65_m_b_h3_f1
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    I went through a phase, a couple of years ago, when I really wanted to be "cured" somehow...

    But not any more. Ever since I found my true love, sent to me by God, not the result of some frantic search, I no longer feel I need this attitude.

    No, thanks. I wouldn't want to interfere with God's plan for my life.

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  • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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    This is a very interesting question. When I was hurt or anxious about the future, or when things were going bad, I would say, 'I wish I were straight. Life would be so much easier and straightforward then'. But truth is, I know that even if I were straight I would have had different kinds of problems. And I always knew that the answer to your question is a resounding Hell No! Being gay makes me feel liberated, in the sense that I'm stronger and now I fight against the conforms of society because of what I am, I have more conviction to not get stuck in a marriage that happened because society forces it to or because it just HAS to be the next step. It may have been different if I had been straight and not have had that feeling of not fitting in as I grew up, but the thing is, I probably would have been very dull. I would not have been so open-minded and tolerant and I definitely would not have met the most amazing people who let me know that the possibilities of how one lives their life are endless and it doesn't have to be what every girl in my culture lives. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I love who I am and how I got to be as I am.

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  • 17-24_m_w_h4_f1
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    mm ,interesting question :D but i guess the answer is no .i would love to still being gay except that i would love to be more gayer i think; like love fashion ,being sensitive .something like that .bcuz i am not into fashion and most things that gay ppl do (and i am not being stereotypically) ..

    • 25-34_m_w_h1_f4
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      you can be very gay without liking those things though. these are just preferences or hobbies not necessarily traits of a very gay person.

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    • 12-16_f_b_h1_f2
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      I suppose what you're trying to say is that you'd like to feel more like what people perceive to be gay and not so different, when you already feel different. But you have to know that since you're gay, you're as gay as a gay man can be! :D

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    • 17-24_m_w_h4_f1
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      yeah kinda like u meant Huma ..and 6a3miya rrly ,sweet i thought for a while that i need to like them to feel more or something :D

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    • 25-34_f_w_h3_f2
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      Don't worry Msta_SOS a lot of people get that impression and it happens :) that somehow they need to be more "gay" than they are in order to be a good "gay" person, but that would be like saying that to feel more Arab you needed to eat more rice... just be yourself and that's the happiest you will ever be.

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  • 17-24_m_b_h2_f4
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    ^ that IS u being stereotypical , u dont have to be a fashionista or a tender porcelain doll to be "gayer" !!

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  • Nope :)

    As Ramyahmed, Edel and others have said, I feel being gay has informed the way I view in a very positive way :) I really LIKE who I am (and I accept that I have flaws, as well all do, and there are many things I want to improve in myself), and I honestly believe, if I were heterosexual, I'd be duller, less compassionate, and would probably make a lot of women angry with me if I dated them (!).

    True, I was born and raised in New Zealand, not the Middle East, but I'm here now and I STILL wouldn't change my sexuality, not even to make socialising easier.

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  • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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    I would really want to change if it was absolutely clear in Islam that such a lifestyle is forbidden!!

    • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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      That would mean that He made us this way and then condemned us. That makes no sense at all, don't you think?

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      no no no!!! the title says if we were given a choice! that means there is a valid way to change your orientation and become this new straight person. you see the title already assumed if we were given a choice :D!!!

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    • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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      Ah yes, although I was actually saying if it was really forbidden in Islam, it would make no sense.

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    I think this, like most instances, is a place where the practice and the condition of homosexuality must be distinguished from each other.

    A person having homosexual urges and attraction is a condition. It is not something that people choose for themselves, it's something that simply happens for one reason or another, whether genetic or environmental, psychological or sociological. Human sexuality, like all other human senses and impulses, are variable in nature and may be effected by any number of things.

    A person indulging those urges is, more or less, a choice. Now there's certainly plenty of debate on the subject of the legitimacy of those urges and the nature of love and all that, and it doesn't benefit this discussion to go into it (there are plenty of other topics on this site that do) but, to be blunt, it is something done voluntary that people have some control over (compulsion, nymphomania, and sex addiction aside, both in the case of homosexuals and heterosexuals).

    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      true very ture peter.....but when u think that i cant really execute them for the rest of their life, it is really a depressing thought............i bet everyome knows that. Sometimes i feel i am justifyin my urges to be legitimate, but else should i do? Marry a women annd execute it? I dnt even know how i will feel, really this is depressing as it gets. No one forces me in my family...but the problem is what Allah(swt) want! that's where i get stuck...i try to show myself the compassion i cant even do that! I am just toooo scared

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      It grieves me to hear of such trials and frustrations, when people who yearn to do the right thing don't know where to turn to resolve them! I will give you what limited advice and experience in this matter that I can, I only hope it is of some use:

      First of all, if you do not feel that you are capable of being in an honest relationship with a woman, do not force yourself into one. My father was a closeted homosexual and married my mother anyway, and it was the source of much misery for both of them. If you have someone who you would marry otherwise and this is the only barrier, confide in them honestly: if you cannot trust them with this information, then you should not marry them anyway.

      If this condition cannot be resolved through personal discipline and earnest support of others, and you have no heterosexual inclinations, then three paths avail you: the first is to indulge the impulse and abandon faith in a religion that prohibits it (I am NOT advocating this, God forbid, I am merely mentioning that it is one of the options) the second is to seek treatment to alter the condition from a competent physician (see: NOT one of these brainwashing groups) and the third is to accept a life of celibacy and pray continually for aid from God.

      On a tangentially related note, my religion (Baha'i) requires that I and my fiancee both receive permission from both my parents before we may marry. It is entirely possible that my father would pose an ultimatum requiring that I endorse his homosexual union as a prerequisite to him endorsing my union (in other words, choose either to deny the law of my faith or to be in violation of it) in which case, for the remainder of his life or until he changed his mind, I would also have to live in celibacy.

      If this is not a matter of conscience to you, then obviously one would choose the less grievous option: however, if it is a matter of conscience to you, be prepared for the possibility that you may have to endure sacrifice for it.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      Peter,
      thank you very much for the grief that you have expressed.
      I am sorry for what happened to your mother.
      I get really angry at myself at times as to why I should marry a women, when it is clear infront of my eyes i like men and I would sleep with women because its is rule than i may be able to sleep with her. However u see thats not really the rule for sex.
      And please( i am saying poiltely) Do not give message of grief beaause to me they are pretty empty............I know u dnt have anything to say much, if u dnt dnt show grief to any of us...i dnt know hoe many will agree but we are sick and tired of it and I hope oneday Allah(swt) helps us in this matter.
      Third, i hope you and your fiance become happy with children for the rest of your life.
      I hope you can forgive you father and I hope your mother can be peaceful again. I am really sorry for what happened to your mother, I am sure( hopefully) that Gor really loves her and has put her to test like this, I hope she is well now. And about honesty, thats why i see in most gay men and women, we want to be honest and we dnt want to hurt others......i guess smtimes this hinestly makes us look bad and evil.
      P.S leaving islam, i dnt want to even see it as an option, like most gay muslims....I want to love Allah(swt) and i hope oneday He gives me and those who love Him sensible answers. Infact He might have already.
      Please dnt take my words as rude its just reallym when some 1 tries to show grief and its the same thing over and over again...it is really annoying for me.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      BTW, Peter, please if u want to marry your fiance, go ahead, your father should not be a barrier to you. Atleast not in Islam! the choice id yours as to what you believe.

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      Ah, you are correct, the Qur'an has no such law. But the Kitab-i-Aqdas, on the other hand, does have such a requirement for this day and age, and as I believe that my submission to the will of God requires obedience to that, then I am only grateful that I am able to truly sacrifice something meaningful in the path of God.

      However, I do still wish to get married, and I do hope to be a good husband and father some day and partake of the special blessing of founding a loving family. I sympathize deeply with homosexuals who desire the same thing and don't see any justice in a condition they did not choose interfering with that goal, often for the sake of upholding a very specific and poorly-understood law that is championed by the fanatical and the hypocrites.

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      And my expression of grief...well, I apologize, I did not mean to annoy or offend, only to express that I too feel upset and frustrated with the present circumstances.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      Peter, such a lovely response....at that moment I was really angry and i shouldnt said something like that tp you. Just answer one question. it the things other scholar says are fantical and hypocryites....then whose interpretation should we follow?

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      Obviously simply following someone because they are a "scholar" doesn't make sense, because those scholars have differing views, conclusions, and interpretations even about the same given verse. Every person needs to investigate the truth independently, free of blind imitation of their forefathers and ecclesiastics.

      An example of the fanatical and hypocritical would be these Christian ministers who are more emphatically anti-gay than anyone else, even though in their Book there is no mention of the subject by Christ. They call back to Leviticus, part of the Jewish Torah, but they don't acknowledge all the other laws of the same book in either word or practice (burnt offerings, slaying children who curse their parents, forbidding work on the sabbath, forbidding consumption of swine and shellfish, etc.) and they constantly tout the "sanctity of marriage" but while Christ (the Glory of God be upon Him) said nothing in His book regarding homosexuality, He did in fact forbid divorce and remarriage.

      They rabidly emphasize a minor aspect and inflate this dogma about the subject (this is fanaticism) while ignoring a major and weighty law on an extremely relevant subject (this is hypocrisy). Similar things, of course, occur with Islamic ecclesiastics, usually vaguely justified with some Hadith or another.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      Well then Peter.
      I am going to post two verses from here and I would like to know what they might mean. Please go through them quite carefully. I should remind all of you and me, that we must be carefull when we are interpreting from here. let the discussion begin!

      And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils near to them, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters sons, or their women, or the followers (of Muhammad) amongst the men who have no desires for women, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed. – Quran 24:31
      the second one:

      As for women who sit inactive and have no hope for marriage, it is no sin for them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show adornment. But to refrain is better for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. – Quran 24: 60

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      As to the first verse, basically to me this is referring to the ordinance of modest dress among Muslimah, with a few particular notes regarding the dress typical of the culture of the time. In that "those who have no desire for women" portion I suspect it is referring to eunuchs (Rodwell trans. is "male domestics with no natural force", Pickthall "male attendants who lack vigor", Yusuf Ali "male servants free of physical need", and Palmer "male attendants who are incapable") it is interesting to consider, but I do wonder if it is potentially referring to homosexuals as well. I'm skeptical, but I don't dismiss it.

      As to the second verse, I would assume that it refers to strict hijab for very elderly women (Pickthall, Palmer, Yusuf Ali, and Rodwell translations all refer to "women past child-bearing"). I don't think it refers to Lesbians.

      It's interesting, I had read these verses but I had not considered them potentially in this light until now.

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      Mind you, my interpretation of specific terms shall always be inadequate as I do not speak Arabic, and I am reliant on comparison of translations therefore.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      hmmmm, i see!!!!
      one more thing, how do you know the verse only refers to only elderly women and not lesbians? well I would like to offer another explantion for the second verse....and translation of the above authors can be faulty btw....I am going to learn Arabic soon -_- :p
      anyways, here is the explanation:
      There are different categories of women who are not actively pursuing a social contract with a man for many reasons and who might openly protest against such an institution. This protest would be exaggerated in a patriarchal society where men are seen as forcing themselves upon women by which, women are compelled to assert themselves by protesting against a social contract that might enslave them. It would make no sense for such women to wear the protective outer garment as their whole demeanour, without adornment, would publically dictate their intentions to men. This category of women includes those women who have no sexual attraction towards men. It can be observed in the demeanour of some homosexual women that they do not wish to adorn themselves and create unnecessary attention from men.

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      btw, the above is a question, not an attack....the tone of my language can sound like that a bit :D

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      Quite alright, I did not take it as such.

      To answer your first question, it is because as I pointed out the verse (at least in all translations I've seen) refers specifically to women past childbearing age (i.e. menopause). I was actually intrigued by the notion that it might also refer to lesbians, but examination of the text seems to indicate that stipulation regarding childbearing age to be integral. (I checked more versions, Shakir, Malik, and Amatul-Rahman versions confirm).

      What's more, having given it additional thought, consider the purpose of hijab: it is to protect women from the harassment of men, to help combat vanity and ego, and to offer relief to men who constantly struggle to keep their thoughts pure. I see no reason why this would not still apply abundantly to young lesbian women.

      And yes while I certainly admit the practice of Hijab has been used as an instrument of oppression towards women, it is not universally so, and it was not so originally.

      As for Arabic study of the text, I recommend this site, because it has a lot of varying versions with the Arabic text and the Arabic transliterated into Latin characters.

      http://transliteration.org/quran/

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    Here's another interesting aspect to it:

    What if it weren't a matter of other people oppressing you? What if you knew your families would love you either way, if it weren't about standing up to bullies and political vilification? What if you knew that you weren't going to be brainwashed, or have to live a lie by doing it, or cause hardship for some kid, or have any other of these repercussions that are, in reality, other people forcing their way of thinking on homosexuals, didn't harm any existing relationships, etc.? What if you were free to just choose what your preference was?

    Hard to imagine in this day and age, I know.

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  • It's impossible for me to imagine myself as a straight. My orientation is irreversible. I would never choose to be any different.

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  • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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    i know right omar! but i had to still go through the anxiety and sadness because i got scared man...and it dosnt even work....what it does is it confuses me more.

    • 17-24_m_w_h4_f4
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      Yeah thats right. Makes us confused and question ourselves more. I get anxious on these issues as well its not easy man. It makes us stronger though doesnt it?

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      yes it really is confusing to this day, and you just cant stop yourself from being anxious man...it literally hurts. I would like to know more about your experience. Please do let me know here or privately. It will make me feel better.

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    • 17-24_m_w_h4_f4
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      I think I just get scared sometimes I even wonder if I am really gay or just frustrated and very confused and going through this phase for exploration. Cant help myself though i am really into guys and sure I get anxious because some days i feel as if im not very ready yet even when my gut tells me its the right choice. My mind is always about to explode. Its tough theres no doubt about this. Sometimes I want to reject myself before someone else can. Know how I mean?

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    • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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      I didnt understand the reject myself part. the rest i did. I am just depressed about really thinking about the WHOLE time..........even when I am fasting. Its really sad but it happens for NO reasons at all!!!!!! But the buesting mind...i am writing this to you and I am experiencing that my head it about to burst right away!

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      It helps to distract yourself I mean do you think about it all the time even when youre in a relationship? By reject myself I mean I look down on myself and get negative and all these bad things about being a failure who doesnt know what he wants but i think majority of time its all in our heads.....

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  • Loved this question, and this is my first post on this site . I would never wish to be str8 ( or breeders like i call them) I'm very happy being gay and happier that my family knows about me. it kinda of took away a lot of stress tho i lived in stress for a whole year and half before really talking to my parents again.

    and as Pf said i do feel we LGBT people r superior. if u look around its us gay who made the media beautiful, amazing food done by gay chefs, stunning dresses that women wear, Great Artists r gays, great musicians the majority r gays, and the word GAY means happy. and if u look around we actually made everything that makes others happy.

    God created me this way, and He said he judge people by their willing ( el neya) so he won't judge me based on my sexuality. and hamdilla i know i am a good citizen and i never hurt people and i make the people around me happy. couldn't ask for me.

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      Yjs a gppd res[onse dubai marina...I used to think like you, and I completely started hating myself. Anyways I am trying to help myself again, which is kinda hard.

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    • well you can't love others unless u love ur self first. if u look around even str8 ppl sin, humans r sinners, but its important to leave this life and ppl remember u in a good way. there is good and bad in every one. we just need to do our best to make our lives more simple and beautiful.

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  • 25-34_f_b_h1_f1
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    Myself, sometimes I wished to be bisexual .Cause that would have given me kinda of more chances to initiate variant relationships in terms of deep human interactions. But as I´m growing up, I became more confident about my orientation and I expanded my human interaction experiences to further levels that I didn´t put on mind.For me ,that was growing up.but definitely I never wanted to be straight, deep inside .even at those times when I was religious

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  • I believe i am more spiritual than pious... I am into learning religions, and I take what i see fit. Islams, anything you name it... when it comes to choosing my sexuality, i believe you cannot change yourself. You CAN suppress the feeling but when it is becoming a dread it just like waiting a dam to be broken..

    In the States for instance, almost majority of jocks, high school kids experimented with each other men with men especially.... and they enjoyed it for they understand each other and according to statistics, MEN GIVE A GOOD HEAD...haha.. i personally think that is up to the person skill though that make me proud and tingly in all places...

    Egypt however, married men especially having sex with another men a lot.. especially behind their wives back... and the worst part they have children and such.. i dont get it, why bother marry someone if you going to cheat afterwards.

    Being gay, straight or something in between is not a choice. Nor it is a life style. It is a psychological inborn trait. Homosexuality (affection towards same sex) exist in all of us. For example, Men like looking to another men who are physically beautiful and hunky... while the same goes to the women folks... Homosexuality is not a club, is not a religion, is not some beverage or it is a fashion where you can pick like it is your taste for the day.

    "For I don't judge other people on how they are sin, for I am no better than them" Farsi parables
    "For I am Gay, and the lord is my shepherd" Rev. Troy Perry

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  • 25-34_f_w_h1_f2
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    man, i wish i was straight... things would be so much easier... yes it has affected me in so many ways, but i don't think that is worth the hassle, i'd trade my life with any straight person in a blink of an eye. at least i dont have to face my mom everyday with my fake personality, at least i wouldnt have to live multiple lives and personalities to remotely feel alive.
    You can call me out on all of these things but no Thanks. i don't like being gay

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  • 17-24_m_b_h3_f3
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    Habibi....you need to help yourself with the internalized homophobia. Please trust me....its not worth it.

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    Oooops I meant habibti.....didn't realize u were a girl at first.

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  • 25-34_f_w_h1_f1
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    NOPE XD , i dun think i'll

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  • Actually the problem in our middle eastern societies is that the scientific knowledge is intentionally influenced by social and religious values, that's why till today homosexuality is seen as a mental / psychological illness which suggests that it could and would be treated!! The American psychiatric association along with most of developed countries have removed homosexuality form their illness lists since the late 1980's, and they insist that it cannot be cured and that treatments could cause even more psychological and physical damage!!! So don't ask yourself if you can become straight or not, coz you can only act straight but deep inside you'll still be the same gay you are today

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    If I were to choose.
    I would choose to be straight. It doesn't matter if a straight woman or a straight man.
    but something straight!

    Being gay is not even a choice for me and sure for most of the people here. being gay is just what I am, I wasn't born this way but I have to accept the fact that I am gay. No one ever wanted to be bashed, disrespected, bullied and so on.
    So going back to the question, if given a chance to pick one.. I would choose to be straight.

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  • 17-24_f_w_h1_f4
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    I am a bisexual woman and no I wouldn't choose to be straight I can't imagine my life without this part of me that loves girls. My sexuality makes everything more possible and colourful it makes me try hard to find people who are like me and find my true love. The experience and the exploration and the struggle against the backwardness and being open to new experiences is all thanks to my gender in the first place and my sexuality next to it. Maybe if I was straight I wouldn't have been so open-minded and just stuck to religion as my only source of information. I think my sexuality as much as I suffer becauase of it as much as it is a blessing for me to enjoy my life in different ways.

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    Change your  sexuality  is Change Yourself 
    its Not fair not to you or your love one

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  • i wouldn't , How can i choose to be someone else i'd rather stay true to who i am , then burry my self in life

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  • 17-24_f_f_h1_f1
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    i really do not think but im not sure that i would have made the choice of being straight but maybe i say that only because being a lesbian is all i know? i'm not sure and i feel about most of the straight relations that they end up boring and about the homosexual relations that most of them end up alone,this is why im not sure what would i have chosen

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    if thier was a choice
    i would have chose to be straight

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  • Absolutely not! The thought of being straight makes me want to run away like I'm being chased by 10,000 bees. Or like I was one of those robot women in that movie the Stepford Wives. It feels me with such repulsion and dread. I'm so glad to be queer and to have queer people in my life who love and support me.

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    Honestly i don't know , i used to be queer since i was @ school so it's normal 4 me , but in hard times i ask my self this question without finding an answer. However i like the unique and independent nature of being a queer.

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  • i donnu, i'm happy with me being gay but i think if i were straight i wouldn't have to lose my family which is an advantage i don't have as a lesbian.

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  • 17-24_f_b_h3_f1
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    without hesitation Yes

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    Yeah since i love a girl i really would and things would become easier you know? I dont habe to thibk about gays and if Allah will forgive me if im gay bla bla i so widh to marry a lesbian girl

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  • 12-16_m_w_h4_f1
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    Of course , but if only it was that easy...

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    No, I'm very happy with myself haha

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  • 17-24_f_b_h1_f3
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    LOOOL, appreciate the response, Turing, but I know many fine gay ladies who would probably woop your butt in video games. ;)

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  • Actually Men do have some hormonal fluctuations every 40 days... not like women where they bleed from their vahjayjay... but we have this PMS like syndrome minus the pain of course..

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  • 12-16_f_b_h1_f2
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    We are humans and what sets us apart from the rest is our ability to choose. And I get what you're trying to say; It's a choice whether we give in to the 'urges' (which I think is an unsuitable term. This is way more than just an urge. It's a need hardwired into us, just like in heterosexuals) But you know what, it doesn't really feel like much of a choice.

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  • 17-24_m_w_h3_f3
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    I laugh at people who say being gay is a choice, I mean choosing to suffer your whole life makes perfect sense.

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    The reason why people think this is a lack of distinction between the practice and the condition of homosexuality.

    The Torah forbids the act of a man laying with another man. The tale of Sodom and Gomorrah refers specifically to this practice being common among those peoples. Homosexuals have thus been branded "sodomites" and been condemned as such.

    But one then asks if God is just, and allows for free choice, how would He ever create people as homosexuals? They conclude, based on that, that homosexuality must be a choice. They fail to make the distinction between the practice, which is a choice, and the condition, which one does not choose.

    Since the people who dominate the dialogue on the matter actually know very little about the scriptural origins of their dogma, and are merely imitating the ways of their parents and clergy, they cling with intense fervor to their imagined dogmas on the matter and react very angrily to them being questioned or examined. If independent investigation of the matter were common, this would be a relative non-issue.

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  • 17-24_f_w_h2_f1
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    Was there a time when, not only was it easy to imagine that, but people could live it?

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    Well there are certainly old societies that have not had the hostile environment towards homosexual persons that our present climate has, though I would hardly call them disinterested in the matter.

    But our time and place and perspective as far as history is unique, and we are as much a part of it as it is a part of us. To say, for instance, "boy, ancient greece was so tolerant!" would sound great from a rose-tinted point of view, but they also had the same liberty towards relations with children and slaves and relatives, for instance, and the holistic view shows they didn't have everything right either. Human knowledge isn't perfect, ergo we must constantly reexamine.

    And it's no use looking longingly to the past, that's never amounted to present-day solutions. If we want such a reality in this day and age, we need to manifest it in ourselves. Heterosexuals like myself need to detach ourselves from our preconceptions and prejudices and observe compassion, and homosexuals need to examine the prudence and legitimacy of indulging their urges with dispassion, independent of reactionary spite or confirmation bias.

    We must remove ourselves from the equation, be truly honest with ourselves and with each other, and listen with the utmost fairness and detachment to what has to be said on the matter, and move forward together in mutual support, with the recognition that it's not an individual struggle but one involving every human being.

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  • We all got scared at first =D who here can seriously say they haven't been? If not scared or confused about their identity or orientation then surely scared of telling friends and family about it. Don't get sad or angry about it because it won't help your cause in any way. It is what it is and you should make the best of it.

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    i don't excatly know what to say for you since i'm straight but you can't make yourself straight if your gay it's who you are . i i saw some comment says that gay are better than straight i guess it's about the couple if they love eachother then they will have a good life . and also the fact that being gay changed you is good i guess like i said i'm straight but i've always wanted to know about gay people's life and it changed me , it changed the way i think about life and people . and if you're from middle east of from mars ignore the insults and be strong for yourself

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    Like I said I saw this topic in another forum (empty closets, great forum btw) and I thought it would be interesting to see the different replies here. Trust me I'm the last person to think that way of course since I'm gay myself lol, I'm 100% convinced that being gay is not a choice, neither is "curing" yourself an option, but this question shows you how people in the middle east feel about being so in a society that makes them feel like they're outcasts, and so far the replies have been beautiful. :)

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  • Ofc I would, it would solve tons of problems.

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    i am very happy to be gay............i am so special.....i am lucky to be top gay.........i am real

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    I wish that I could be able to be straight. Maybe then, I'd have any hope in life or God.

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    that was so deep.....

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